Will masturbation be harmful to health? - According to traditional Chinese medicine,it will. (Mar/02/2011 )
pito on Fri Mar 4 15:15:48 2011 said:
What I know from what I studied is that the only problem mastrubation can give is a physical problem: if you mastrubate too much, you can get physical pain... but then you allready need to mastrubate a lot more then once a day.
(+ off course people that are addicted to it and need to do it X times a day have a mental problem too and their lives can suffer from it).
But those things are all exeptions and only apply to those that do it way more then once a day.
And no: there are no problems for the glands or what so ever.. the only problem is the physical pain people might suffer if they do it too often.
So where do you think the physical pain come from?and why?
-AllenChiu-
AllenChiu on Fri Mar 4 15:51:55 2011 said:
toejam on Fri Mar 4 15:12:32 2011 said:
i don't know about mouse models, but electroejaculation has been tested on bulls for long time
check this paper for reference
also for pig semen extraction there are pheromones you can use on an artificial female pig, you can imagine the rest...
Thank you for the paper.
You mean the male pig will shot just when they smell the odour of pheromone?if it is some odour.
Then the male pig must have strong ability of imagination~
Has nothing to do with imagination...
A lot of animals only respond to smells or hormones, not to looks or whatever.
Animals are not like humans.
Another example in animalkingdom is induced ovulation... ovulation happens right after "sex".
-pito-
hobglobin on Fri Mar 4 15:39:15 2011 said:
it's also part of the 1968 Barbarella film...called the excessive Machine.
And if there are effects, shouldn't they be detectable with statistically differences between populations where it is prohibited and tabooed (with less kidney problems) and liberal populations (with more problems)? And also between populations with lots of single people (e.g. western populations, that are often more liberal) and populations where more or less all persons marry early (which often have more strict and traditional mindsets, too)?
No need to torture poor lab animals...just check the statistics for correlations...
But those culturally different populations are genetically different too...
-AllenChiu-
AllenChiu on Fri Mar 4 15:54:33 2011 said:
pito on Fri Mar 4 15:15:48 2011 said:
What I know from what I studied is that the only problem mastrubation can give is a physical problem: if you mastrubate too much, you can get physical pain... but then you allready need to mastrubate a lot more then once a day.
(+ off course people that are addicted to it and need to do it X times a day have a mental problem too and their lives can suffer from it).
But those things are all exeptions and only apply to those that do it way more then once a day.
And no: there are no problems for the glands or what so ever.. the only problem is the physical pain people might suffer if they do it too often.
So where do you think the physical pain come from?and why?
Well, you can have infections of the skin of the penis because you mastrubate too much or the skin get damaged or.... its just pain you get because you do it too much.. or even pain in your arms....
Its like doing push ups: at some point it will hurt because you are doing too much.. and you can get better , but at some point you reach a limit that you can do physically.. same with mastrubation.
But the thing is: its not so much a physical problem (mastrubating too much), its more a mental problem....
If you mastrubate too much, you might have an addiction.
But as said before: mastrubating once each day should not be a problem.... not physically! ANd not mentally.... It might be a problem mentally because you feel bad about it... but it shouldnt.
-pito-
are you suggesting that the incidence on masturbation rates is dependent on genetic background? i.e. some populations are more prone to it than others? i believe the psychological context overweights whatever genetic charge you have. true, you could be predisposed to produce a higher amount of hormones but i don't think it becomes significantly different over population scales.
pito, i'm not sure, but not all animals ovulate after sex do they? e.g. take dog breeding, you always have to wait until the female starts giving indications of ovulation (bleeding) and then you cross them, not otherwise.
indeed, animals are not like humans, of course there are more extreme cases such as this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_insemination
-toejam-
pito on Fri Mar 4 15:56:38 2011 said:
AllenChiu on Fri Mar 4 15:51:55 2011 said:
toejam on Fri Mar 4 15:12:32 2011 said:
i don't know about mouse models, but electroejaculation has been tested on bulls for long time
check this paper for reference
also for pig semen extraction there are pheromones you can use on an artificial female pig, you can imagine the rest...
Thank you for the paper.
You mean the male pig will shot just when they smell the odour of pheromone?if it is some odour.
Then the male pig must have strong ability of imagination~
Has nothing to do with imagination...
A lot of animals only respond to smells or hormones, not to looks or whatever.
Animals are not like humans.
Another example in animalkingdom is induced ovulation... ovulation happens right after "sex".
Thank you,what is your research focus then?
-AllenChiu-
toejam on Fri Mar 4 16:07:19 2011 said:
are you suggesting that the incidence on masturbation rates is dependent on genetic background? i.e. some populations are more prone to it than others? i believe the psychological context overweights whatever genetic charge you have. true, you could be predisposed to produce a higher amount of hormones but i don't think it becomes significantly different over population scales.
pito, i'm not sure, but not all animals ovulate after sex do they? e.g. take dog breeding, you always have to wait until the female starts giving indications of ovulation (bleeding) and then you cross them, not otherwise.
indeed, animals are not like humans, of course there are more extreme cases such as this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_insemination
I mean some population are not genetically strong enough to stand the potential harm of masturbation.
I don't think we Chinese people are as strong as western people on average.
-AllenChiu-
toejam on Fri Mar 4 16:07:19 2011 said:
are you suggesting that the incidence on masturbation rates is dependent on genetic background? i.e. some populations are more prone to it than others? i believe the psychological context overweights whatever genetic charge you have. true, you could be predisposed to produce a higher amount of hormones but i don't think it becomes significantly different over population scales.
pito, i'm not sure, but not all animals ovulate after sex do they? e.g. take dog breeding, you always have to wait until the female starts giving indications of ovulation (bleeding) and then you cross them, not otherwise.
indeed, animals are not like humans, of course there are more extreme cases such as this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_insemination
Nono, it was an example to show how different things are between humand and animals (or animals vs animals), not all animals have induced ovulation.
-pito-
AllenChiu on Fri Mar 4 16:18:46 2011 said:
toejam on Fri Mar 4 16:07:19 2011 said:
are you suggesting that the incidence on masturbation rates is dependent on genetic background? i.e. some populations are more prone to it than others? i believe the psychological context overweights whatever genetic charge you have. true, you could be predisposed to produce a higher amount of hormones but i don't think it becomes significantly different over population scales.
pito, i'm not sure, but not all animals ovulate after sex do they? e.g. take dog breeding, you always have to wait until the female starts giving indications of ovulation (bleeding) and then you cross them, not otherwise.
indeed, animals are not like humans, of course there are more extreme cases such as this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_insemination
I mean some population are not genetically strong enough to stand the potential harm of masturbation.
I don't think we Chinese people are as strong as western people on average.
I think thats crap...
I can not believe that some cultures would suffer more if they mastrubate the same amount then other cultures.
If you think this: then you also state that for ex. chinese men would not be able to have the same amount of sex then other cultures....
PS. it might not be the mastrubation on itself.. but how you mastrubate that causes problems.... or an underlying problem, erection problems for example.
-pito-
"potential harm of masturbation"... 
then there's only one way to know your potential, take it to the extreme!! 
btw, did you see the chinese athletes in the last edition of the olympic games?? i'd say they can take lots of vigorous physical activity, whatever it is 
-toejam-