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Sub-G1 FACS analysis - basic question (Nov/24/2006 )

Hello everybody!
I found the following protocol in a publication.
Sub-G1FACS Analysis forApoptosis
[...] Forty-eight hours later, cells were trypsinized, collected by centrifugation, resuspended in PBS, and fixed in 70% ethanol at -20°C for 1 day. After centrifugation, the cells were washed in PBS and resuspended in potassium iodide (PI) staining solution (PBS, PI, RNase) (Boehringer Mannheim Antisense bcl-xl 546 and Chemotherapy Co., Indianapolis, IN). Specimens were incubated in the dark for 30 min at 37jC and then analyzed with the use of an EPICS Profile II flow cytometer (Coulter Corp., Hialeah, FL). All experiments were performed in triplicate.

And there is one (stupid?) question I need to ask:
"when they say resuspend in PBS and fix in 70% EtOH"...what do they mean? Add EtOH to the cell suspension (in PBS)? Or add EtOH to the cell pellet? And -of course- how much EtOH am I supposed to add??
Thanks in advance for your answers! smile.gif

-Jou-

I believe is wash once with PBS, centrifuge and resuspend the pellet in 70% ethanol (vortexing so the cells dont form clumps)
Maybe can also be resuspend the cells in 300 ul pbs and add 700 ul of absolute ethanol for a final of 100 but it is the first one the one we use


QUOTE (Jou @ Nov 24 2006, 05:14 PM)
Hello everybody!
I found the following protocol in a publication.
Sub-G1FACS Analysis forApoptosis
[...] Forty-eight hours later, cells were trypsinized, collected by centrifugation, resuspended in PBS, and fixed in 70% ethanol at -20°C for 1 day. After centrifugation, the cells were washed in PBS and resuspended in potassium iodide (PI) staining solution (PBS, PI, RNase) (Boehringer Mannheim Antisense bcl-xl 546 and Chemotherapy Co., Indianapolis, IN). Specimens were incubated in the dark for 30 min at 37jC and then analyzed with the use of an EPICS Profile II flow cytometer (Coulter Corp., Hialeah, FL). All experiments were performed in triplicate.

And there is one (stupid?) question I need to ask:
"when they say resuspend in PBS and fix in 70% EtOH"...what do they mean? Add EtOH to the cell suspension (in PBS)? Or add EtOH to the cell pellet? And -of course- how much EtOH am I supposed to add??
Thanks in advance for your answers! smile.gif

-tertu-

Noooooooooo!!
You should wash your cells with PBS, pellet, resuspend in PBS (500ul for half a million cells), then put it on the shaker and add EtOH 70%, drop by drop, 3 times 500ul. If you resuspend in EtOH the cells will attach together and you have to avoid cell clumps. This is also the reason why you should vortex while adding EtOH... The cells can be left in EtOH ON or longer at 4 degrees or at -20 but the fixation can be done at -20 for 1hour and it works anyway

-dnafactory-

QUOTE (dnafactory @ Nov 24 2006, 09:23 PM)
Noooooooooo!!
You should wash your cells with PBS, pellet, resuspend in PBS (500ul for half a million cells), then put it on the shaker and add EtOH 70%, drop by drop, 3 times 500ul. If you resuspend in EtOH the cells will attach together and you have to avoid cell clumps. This is also the reason why you should vortex while adding EtOH... The cells can be left in EtOH ON or longer at 4 degrees or at -20 but the fixation can be done at -20 for 1hour and it works anyway

Thank you for your reply! Still some questions:
When you say [...]add EtOH 70%, drop by drop, 3 times 500ul[...], does that mean that I always have to add three volumes of EtOH to one volume of PBS/cell suspension? And is it possible to start with more than half a million cells if I adjust PBS and EtOH volumes accordingly? Last question: When you measure at the cytometer, how many cells to you count per second? I heard that you have to slow down to 200 cells/second.
Thank you in advance!

-Jou-

QUOTE (Jou @ Nov 25 2006, 12:39 PM)
QUOTE (dnafactory @ Nov 24 2006, 09:23 PM)

Noooooooooo!!
You should wash your cells with PBS, pellet, resuspend in PBS (500ul for half a million cells), then put it on the shaker and add EtOH 70%, drop by drop, 3 times 500ul. If you resuspend in EtOH the cells will attach together and you have to avoid cell clumps. This is also the reason why you should vortex while adding EtOH... The cells can be left in EtOH ON or longer at 4 degrees or at -20 but the fixation can be done at -20 for 1hour and it works anyway

Thank you for your reply! Still some questions:
When you say [...]add EtOH 70%, drop by drop, 3 times 500ul[...], does that mean that I always have to add three volumes of EtOH to one volume of PBS/cell suspension? And is it possible to start with more than half a million cells if I adjust PBS and EtOH volumes accordingly? Last question: When you measure at the cytometer, how many cells to you count per second? I heard that you have to slow down to 200 cells/second.
Thank you in advance!



Yes to all your questions, including the more or less 200 cells/second

-dnafactory-

Watch out, final concentration of ethanol should be 70%, use absolute ethanol if you want to add 3 volumes of ethanol per volume of cells

QUOTE (Jou @ Nov 25 2006, 12:39 PM)
QUOTE (dnafactory @ Nov 24 2006, 09:23 PM)

Noooooooooo!!
You should wash your cells with PBS, pellet, resuspend in PBS (500ul for half a million cells), then put it on the shaker and add EtOH 70%, drop by drop, 3 times 500ul. If you resuspend in EtOH the cells will attach together and you have to avoid cell clumps. This is also the reason why you should vortex while adding EtOH... The cells can be left in EtOH ON or longer at 4 degrees or at -20 but the fixation can be done at -20 for 1hour and it works anyway

Thank you for your reply! Still some questions:
When you say [...]add EtOH 70%, drop by drop, 3 times 500ul[...], does that mean that I always have to add three volumes of EtOH to one volume of PBS/cell suspension? And is it possible to start with more than half a million cells if I adjust PBS and EtOH volumes accordingly? Last question: When you measure at the cytometer, how many cells to you count per second? I heard that you have to slow down to 200 cells/second.
Thank you in advance!

-tertu-

QUOTE (tertu @ Nov 25 2006, 07:28 PM)
Watch out, final concentration of ethanol should be 70%, use absolute ethanol if you want to add 3 volumes of ethanol per volume of cells
QUOTE (Jou @ Nov 25 2006, 12:39 PM)

QUOTE (dnafactory @ Nov 24 2006, 09:23 PM)

Noooooooooo!!
You should wash your cells with PBS, pellet, resuspend in PBS (500ul for half a million cells), then put it on the shaker and add EtOH 70%, drop by drop, 3 times 500ul. If you resuspend in EtOH the cells will attach together and you have to avoid cell clumps. This is also the reason why you should vortex while adding EtOH... The cells can be left in EtOH ON or longer at 4 degrees or at -20 but the fixation can be done at -20 for 1hour and it works anyway

Thank you for your reply! Still some questions:
When you say [...]add EtOH 70%, drop by drop, 3 times 500ul[...], does that mean that I always have to add three volumes of EtOH to one volume of PBS/cell suspension? And is it possible to start with more than half a million cells if I adjust PBS and EtOH volumes accordingly? Last question: When you measure at the cytometer, how many cells to you count per second? I heard that you have to slow down to 200 cells/second.
Thank you in advance!




It does not really matter... I do it with 70% EtOH.
P.S. EtOH has to be really cold, therefore keep it at -20

-dnafactory-