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HELP! acidic SDS-PAGE sample - Has anyone dealing with this before? (Jul/31/2006 )

I've got some acidic protein. They are aggregates that are soluble in 70% formic acid. This sample appear as a horrible smear in SDS PAGE. (I'm using 5% stacking and 10% resolving with pH 8.8)

If I increase pH of the sample before adding lysis buffer, the protein would precipitate out and become insoluble. Since it cannot dissove in SDS.

How could I produce a beautiful PAGE in this case?

-kelvinmike-

If it is not very solube in the running buffer you would expect to see a smear. If it is an acidic protein, raising pH would help its solubility, rather reduce it. If it is also hydrophobic, then SDS would help. I dont have a good answer with so limited info provided.

-genehunter-1-

QUOTE (genehunter-1 @ Aug 2 2006, 02:37 PM)
If it is not very solube in the running buffer you would expect to see a smear. If it is an acidic protein, raising pH would help its solubility, rather reduce it. If it is also hydrophobic, then SDS would help. I dont have a good answer with so limited info provided.



Thanks for your suggestion biggrin.gif

I would like to clearify: the protein is not acidic, but it is soluble in acid. Therefore while I denature it with 1:1 (v/v) 2x SDS-PAGE sample buffer (pH 6.8), the protein somehow precipitate out.
The running buffer I use is the standard SDS running buffer, and pH of stacking and resolving gel is 6.8 and 8.8 respectively (just following procedure of molecular cloning huh.gif )
Is there any alternative gel combination available? I have tried to google "acidic SDS-PAGE" but it returns no answer.

-kelvinmike-

check this post for a native acidic page system:

http://www.protocol-online.org/forums/inde...&st=0&#

you may be able to add 0.1% sds to it but i haven't tried.

for the sample, just add sds and 2-me (to the same concentration as the standard sds sample buffer) to the soluble sample.

hope it works

-mdfenko-

QUOTE (mdfenko @ Aug 16 2006, 08:06 AM)
check this post for a native acidic page system:

http://www.protocol-online.org/forums/inde...&st=0&#

you may be able to add 0.1% sds to it but i haven't tried.

for the sample, just add sds and 2-me (to the same concentration as the standard sds sample buffer) to the soluble sample.

hope it works


Thanks a lot. I will try it out.
1 more question. How about the acrylamide concentration in stacking and resolving? Is it 5% and 10% respecively as in the denaturing gel system? Also the AP concentration

-kelvinmike-

QUOTE (kelvinmike @ Aug 16 2006, 10:25 PM)
1 more question. How about the acrylamide concentration in stacking and resolving? Is it 5% and 10% respecively as in the denaturing gel system? Also the AP concentration

the stacking gel concentration is normally around 3% (plus or minus) but you can use whatever you feel is appropriate. the same goes for the resolving gel concentration. the original procedures call for 7% but you should use the concentration most suited to your protein.

persulfate should be pretty much the same as you are used to (we use 30ul of 10% for 30ml of gel solution to polymerize in ~1hr, although i don't remember if the acidic environment makes it polymerize differently). just make sure the gel is fully polymerized before using it.

-mdfenko-