The ID "debate" - Dover, US - Just curious, but... (Sep/28/2005 )
Whats the opinion of all you BioForum people on this Intelligent Design (ID) Court case thats going down at the moment in the US?
Do you think that if the ID people win, it will be a harsh blow for Science in general? What do you think the impact of this would be for the future generations of scientists?
HMilk
Should the ID people win it will be a sad day for science, and common sense in general. Religeous opinion has no place in science
However the whole thing is typical of the kind of religeous fundamentalism that is so widespread in America, so I'm not that surprised
Well if they do win then we should push for the Flying Spagetti Monster theory of creation to be taught alongside the other two.
It has as much basis in scientific fact at anything else!
It has as much basis in scientific fact at anything else!
y'Arrr Matey!
I was wondering how long it would be before someone mentioned that. Quite funny though.
HMilk
Y’argghhhh indeed,
Though I must say the full pirate regalia gets a bit hot in the summer.. 
too many people don't understand the difference between a theory and an opinion
I agree that it will be a sad day for science if they win, but I think it's a sad day for science that such a thing is even going to court
don't these people remember that America started because of people wanting religious freedom?
I agree that it will be a sad day for science if they win, but I think it's a sad day for science that such a thing is even going to court
don't these people remember that America started because of people wanting religious freedom?
This is perhaps a slight deviation from the topic, but what the hey, it's my topic!
I'm quite bemused by this as, at least to me, from outside the USA, if this is taught in American class rooms, does this end up being a violation of the constitutional sepration of Church and State/Government?
Correct me if I'm wrong of course.
HMilk
this is why it's going to court. the proponents are arguing that it does not violate church and state separation, because it is a presentation of an alternate 'theory'
the opponenets of ID argue that it violates that law
the group with the best lawyers usually wins...
It has as much basis in scientific fact at anything else!
Having felt the touch of His Noodly Appendage, I would definitely press for this to be taught alongside "Intelligent" design.
Odd that this doesn't seem to be much of an issue (other than perhaps a mention on the funnies section of the news) outside the US. I wonder why?
Pasta la vista...
B3ka
I don't believe in God, but I believe ID because I cannot figure out how evolution created so many marvelous creatures. For the example of an eye's structure, so many elements are needed to make an eye, which simply cannot happen through evolution via random mutation.
We are now creating intelligent computers and robots. Let's assume that one day, we human disappear from the earth for some reason and those robots rule the world on their own. At that time , they will do the same thing as we are doing, debating where they were from. Some robots would say we evolved from abacus to transistors to 286 to 486 to pentium to robots by random mutation; others would say we were intelligently designed.
Who are right?