HIV Trial in Libya - Truth behind it? (Aug/01/2007 )
Everyone must have heard/read in the news about the years of controversy regarding HIV Trial in Libya on medics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_trial_in_Libya
If it were a research, there is no question of it being anywhere near ethical.
I am highlighting this news just to hear all of your views on research ethics. How sensitive are we in fact? Can you justify that the research U r doing is ethical?
Have your say and if you can bring our attention to similar controversial issues we'd appreciate.
i don't know what was the force driving those people to do what they did but i think we have to be sensitive at least not to consider humans as models for our experiments............there are many organizations caring for animal rights around the world , but human lives are more important ....
did either of you actually read the wiki page?
this is not a case of experimentation but of power hungry corrupt politicians and the people who will lie and torture for them.
anyone who thinks this was an experiment is lacking in the basic understanding of virus transfer.
I read the wiki page though I could not understand 90% of it and also followed the recent new about the case. I admit that I had not cared about this case when I heard it last because to me also it sounded just like a bargain without any firm scientific basis.
I highlighted this particular news because it has raised question about ethics of researchers and how much can one scientist be unethical to do their experiment: and people have some doubts about scientific researches going on humans. Scientists have been blamed to have conducted human experiments that are insanely unethical even today and I don't know to what extent they are true usually in nuclear, biological, and chemical warfare researches.
I will site other examples too; but as a start I put this one because it is the burning issue now.
Dominic, can U also please tell us why U think it cannot be an experiment? Sorry, I too lack understanding about virus transfer and I don't know what experiment they said was being done in Libya.
I am asking for participation from those who can cite examples of unethical researches. Another and the most infamous that I should have cited was the Tuskegee Study which ran for almost 40 years and had not some one broken the secret to media, even today it would have been there. Is there a chance that similar secret is lurking behind the scene in Libya too?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Stud..._the_Negro_Male
Bungalow Boy, please. Do read up more on the subject… At least get to grips with the ideas and methodologies involved in this story.
I find it very very unlikely that there was any secret experimentation. If they want to study HIV spreading, you can do so in the open, quite likely with funding attached.
The Libya case is one few times where the community of geneticist has brought its expertise to the international arena. The work published in Nature has already showed that the HIV epidemic had already started before those doctors came. We know how long an infect takes before syndromes appear. And we also have molecular clocks to help determine how long the infection has been spreading. It is like the prion outbreak here, in the UK a few years back, insufficient and bad medical practise had caused an outbreak to start, spread and survive in the hospital environment.
Finally ask yourself, Why bother? Kids with HIV, are not difficult to find. Sad to say you can find them at a dozen for a penny. In fact HIV is so prevalent in some nations (Swaziland and Botswana) that research has been done to see its effects on Gross Domestic Product, and workforce efficiency. Which I find a little disquieting, firstly because that work no longer looks at HIV as a medical disease (with the human story attached) but more like how businesses are effected from recruitment problems and high absentee rate… much like how the flu season cost business money. And secondly that such a study is even possible. The prevalence of HIV can be so high that 1/5 to ΒΌ of the adult population is infected.
People just can't afford the drugs. And the first generation HIV drugs (which by some streach of imagination could be purchased), developed nearly 20yrs ago have lost alot of their potency.
Now for a book of unethical work done in the past ;
Useful Bodies: Humans in the Service of Medical Science
Edited by Jordan Goodman, Anthony McElligott & Lara Marks
John Hopkins University Press, 2003
240 pp. hardcover , $36.54
ISBN 0-80187-342-8
The editors argue that the conventional scholarly focus on deficits in informed consent and on experiments explicitly labeled as 'biomedical research' limits our understanding of past events and might also impair our ability to discern unethical practices today. To avoid this myopia, the editors present projects discussed in Useful Bodies as examples of a larger twentieth-century development in which "the modern state increasingly used its prerogative to lay claim to the individual body for its own needs, whether social, economic, or military."
Several chapter authors adopt the editors' broad perspective. Brian Balmer, for instance, describes germ warfare tests in the United Kingdom after World War II. Officials worried about potential attacks sponsored studies involving the environmental release of what were thought to be harmless materials, such as zinc cadmium. The trials were seen as a military defense program that did not warrant public disclosure. But Balmer contends that because of the agents' unproven safety, the authorities should have given the public an opportunity to evaluate whether the experiments were justified by national security needs.
A strange British and Australian military project, described by Glenn Mitchell, is also portrayed as a disguised form of research. Officers were enrolled in classes about atomic physics and then given the 'opportunity' to witness atomic bomb explosions. They were then sent back to their units "to spread the word about their positive reactions to atomic blasts." The objective was to determine whether this "Indoctrinee Force" could boost morale and generate positive feelings about atomic weapons and nuclear energy technology. Again, the soldiers were not explicitly recognized as research subjects, but Mitchell argues that they should have been. These were inadequately informed human participants, he contends, exposed to the risks of an atomic blast as part of a government experiment.
Other studies also departed from the standard research model. In the 1920s, as Margaret Humphreys reports, physicians exposed advanced syphilis patients to malaria, a 'therapeutic craze' at the time. Malaria researchers realized that the popular treatment offered something for them too: an opportunity to study the natural course of malaria in a controlled setting. Humphreys explores ethical issues that flowed from the syphilis patient's dual status. For example, the researchers were physicians accustomed to treating malaria patients. Yet the syphilis regimen, as well as their own research objectives, demanded that malaria treatment be withheld. Humphreys describes how malariologist Mark Boyd sometimes chose to provide quinine to very sick patients.
Elswhere, Useful Bodies discusses projects explicitly recognized as human experimentation. David Jones and Robert Martensen chronicle the activities of University of California scientists studying radiation effects on soldiers, prisoners and patients. Eventually, the ambitious 'radiation missionaries' established a facility independent of the University of California San Francisco medical school, which enabled them to avoid the medical staff's ethical objections to certain studies. Gilbert Whittemore and Miriam Boleyn-Fitzgerald describe a 1950s experiment at the Massachusetts General Hospital in which seriously ill subjects were injected with uranium. This 'dual use' project sought information on cancer therapies and safe exposure levels for atomic weapons workers. The records indicate that investigators may have been less than candid with patients and families about the low chance of therapeutic benefit. Indeed, the authors assert that although Atomic Energy Commission personnel were extremely careful in handling the uranium, hospital researchers failed to observe the same level of care toward the human subjects.
The Willowbrook studies are also examined from a fresh angle. Researcher Saul Krugman contended that because hepatitis infection was almost inevitable for school residents, his studies intentionally exposing children posed little added risk. But Joel Howell and Rodney Hayward argue that Krugman's data do not support the claim of high baseline infection rates. They urge social scientists and historians to look critically at the numbers, as well as the words, when evaluating researchers' conduct. In another chapter, Jenny Stanton compares the Willowbrook study with UK studies of yellow fever, jaundice and hepatitis during the 1930s and 40s. All of the studies included questionable practices, Stanton notes, because researchers exposed subjects to serious harm without informed and voluntary consent. But because the Willowbrook work was reported in numerous medical journals, its ethical problems were also widely publicized. In contrast, the UK experiments produced many fewer publications, partly because researchers were worried about the public reaction to their use of human subjects.
Useful Bodies makes a strong case for adopting a broad perspective in the analysis of research ethics. Though written by academic historians, the book is aimed at a wider audience. At times, a few authors do resort to jargon and other 'insider' talk. Yet readers from other fields who persevere will be well rewarded. Besides gaining a rich picture of past scientific practices, they will be better equipped to monitor the continuing search for 'useful bodies' in our own era.
thanks perneseblue - less angry = more facts
think of it this way bungalow (nabin?) a person tested has a large viral load - the logical conclusion is that they have been infected for a good while and the virus has had time to reproduce (this would mean the patients were infected before any of the accused staff were even working there) - instead people came forward saying this was proof that a large viral dose had been given covertly and very recently - its avoiding the obvious for political gain - if you want to study hiv/aids you simply go to an area where everyone has it and look at them.
the most important part of all of this is you must remember real people were imprisioned, tortured and repeatedly threatened with death by firing squad for trying to help people in a hospital
this is not the x-files or some interesting conspiracy theory on the net - these were people like you and me (fellow biologists even) who had limbs dislocated and genitals electrocuted - and its not the ancient past, its here and now.
i hope you see now why you hit a nerve
dom
IT'S all about politics, no matter who is guilty and who is innocent !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Stud..._the_Negro_Male
I agree with U perneseblue (? less angry) and Dom; this was a political issue and all the evidence has shown adequately that there was no any possibility for what was blamed. The medics were tortured.
I was asking for contributions from those who know about any other controversial research issues that have happened in past where ethics has been questioned. Libya is the 'hot' issue so I highlighted that and was asking of there were any others.
I think this is confusing, isn't it? (How do I make it less confusing?)